```audio-player ![[john starkel conversation 25-03-12.mp3]] 00:01:30 --- self-reflection needed for optimum 00:05:05 --- how people see the crisis of modernity 00:07:05 --- empowering John. Our society is disempowering #doubt 00:09:50 --- Is technology empowering 00:10:40 --- does access to information divide or unify? Disempower or empower individuals and society? 00:11:30 --- micro Society depends on The ability for people to except and cultivate individual empowerment 00:15:45 --- John feels empowered to help or fix individuals but not systems 00:18:30 --- John is passionate about people's stories. 00:21:20 --- Death of the yeoman farmer, the grange 00:26:40 --- Mexican yeoman Farmer lasted longer 00:31:10 --- where does The pressure necessary for innovation come from in a micro society ``` ```dv dv.paragraph(("https://jimr.fyi/" + dv.currentFilePath.replace(/\.md$/, "").replace(/ /g, "+"))) ``` - Your assumption of the status quo is your prison - 130 self-reflection needed for optimum - interaction with the world creates passive self-reflection - How did your dad fail to grow to meet the challenges of being a parent? - self-reflection needs emotional maturity and internal awareness - we subconsciously ingest interpret signals from the world - point, the world molds you rather than you choose your growth path - point, people neglect their obligations and expectations all the time. Did your dad grow to be a good father? - point, this is kind of like central planning versus market forces. Where Central planning is your ideal expectations of growth and market forces is your reaction to your growth necessitated by feedback from your world. The latter is more reactive to the external which can be good and bad - ad hoc, passive, growth is usually fine given the excesses of modernity - 505 how people see the crisis of modernity - people naturally think small #doubt - learned helplessness leads to complaining empowerment kills learned helplessness #important - Coach, John I'm so thankful that you are the person you are today and not the person you were 5 years ago and when I push you it's usually because I believe in you but also I negate your trauma which I should not do - 705 empowering John. Our society is disempowering #doubt - John calling himself an amateur is disempowering - John believes political groups promote themselves as the only solution for change in a world where they disempower the individual #interesting - The media and technology is about entertainment and attention capture which is disempowering - Technology infantilizes us. But I think we can carefully use it as a tool that does more harm than good for us individually. Would I like technology to be less destructive to the individual yes - hierarchical employment structures are disempowering - counter, technology can't be used by the individual to empower themselves within society - #doubt elites infantilize two disempower so that they can control - 950 Is technology empowering - I agree that most people are disempowered by technology but I think that's more to do with it being a consumer product #important - Isaac and you just to go at different speeds. He does not think you are stupid. He just cannot sit with his own discomfort of thinking deeply through a topic - Isaac likely wants you to push back on why he trust the information he is citing - I don't consider Isaac's use of technology as disempowering. It might be reductionist but it's not disempowering - Flat human scale Society focused on empowering people through reduced social burden and access to resources #micosociety #villageLiving/saying - You are competent enough to make decisions for your life #microsociety #villageLiving/saying - 10:40 does access to information divide or unify? Disempower or empower individuals and society? - Isaac is not saying you're stupid. He's trying to tell you his attention span is waning or he is having difficulty sitting with the discomfort of not saying what he's thinking - What correlated attributes to intelligence give you more power in society than pure intelligence? - I'm having a lunch meeting with Tim in May that I set up It's about being in relation with people that gives you the power to impact them - Structure over power. Social capital over financial capital. Your power John is in your intelligence and given a micro society structure you'll be able to leverage that intelligence for the best good of everybody - You're not defending your argument against any counter argument on the internet. If you're trying to achieve consensus you are understanding through their use of information sources how they build credibility in their worldview - there is much less truth than you imagine there is simply acceptance and consensus #important - Isaac does not believe you're stupid! Some of the main differences between your communication styles is Isaac is a contrarian and is experience as discomfort from a unstimulated mind. - I have used AI to build consensus empowering not just myself in a conversation against another but helping groups of people form consensus within the conversation - 11:30 micro Society depends on The ability for people to except and cultivate individual empowerment - John believes intelligence is disempowering #doubt - intelligence is not capability - You need to be in relation with somebody to influence them You need to be able to influence them to build consensus You need consensus to have power - I disagree with your assumptions about how the C-Suite views you - Tim is Good at building relationships I don't know that you're better at that than 10:00 - John, question, How are you sure the hierarchical structures are pushing back as much as they are? - #important Deconstruct hierarchies to gain efficiency. Radical transparency to prevent corruption. I think this is why I first need to work on consensus system - 1545 John feels empowered to help or fix individuals but not systems - John believes he'd have to bend the knee and compromise his values to have power over systems - We're not fixing the country where fixing a tiny speck. And hopefully spreading a new human centered societal organization - Don't run for government! Get your hands dirty help and provide for the people around you. Build community then spread the message. Grassroots decentralization over centralized hierarchical control - Your power does not come from your position It comes from your capability to produce positive outcomes - 1830 John is passionate about people's stories. - John, help me understand how stories what you did with stories on your date. It seems to me if I were to redefine this I'd say you asked good questions to get to know somebody and you built a narrative around that ain't presented it to her and she agreed. This is very therapeutic or coach independent on how action-oriented it wa - if intelligence doesn't, what inspires hope resilience? - yeah you're your ideas aren't going to resonate with everybody that's why I'm trying to build consensus with you such that this consensus is more broad than your ideas - when your date articulated her goals did she ask you for yours? What did you say? - I agree I need to get microsociety into the `crucible of ideas` next steps: - finding early adopters to be co-architects (build social capital) - coach more to harness the ability to empower people - experiment: food forest, system design - ? if you had to conceptually rebuild society and failure to do so within a week would mean eminent death. What would you build? - 2120 Death of the yeoman farmer, the grange - The Grange. Individual farmers with plantation farmers share farming innovation. Became major lobbying group - Banking system through Grange to modernize tractor invented 1910. Credit Union - Farmers took on a lot of debt to get new machinery. Machinery caused the dust bowl? - What was the interest rate on Grange loans? - slash and burn agriculture depleted soil while maximizing output - new forms of untested mechanized agriculture destroy the land which prevented farmers from paying the loans and their land and resources were sold by the bank to plantation Farmers who instantiated sharecropping - 2640 Mexican yeoman Farmer lasted longer - PRI embraces collectivized land reform - The aristocracy was destroyed in the Mexican revolution and the peasants demanded land reform - PRI created collectivized farmsteads #research - Mexico became food sufficient by choosing to produce food for the community rather than growing profit crops for export #important - Mexicans 8 while Americans starved in the Great depression - without the profit motive, Mexican farmers did not innovate and were surpassed in the global market - families with a share of a farm or insulated for market forces at least global market forces - Mexico banned food imports - Mexican agriculture was destroyed by the efficiency of American agriculture after NAFTA - John, what if there was transparency and a obligation of efficiency and productivity by the farmers or you would be removed your share would be removed from your family? - The Mexican government sold the farming collectives to multinationals - Yes, tariffs create incentives for national sufficiency - 3110 where does The pressure necessary for innovation come from in a micro society - collectivize risk - individualized responsibility - enforced through radical transparency - our markets necessary for innovation pressure. I think yes - #timAverill/question what goes into deciding to remove a school from the pool? What has happened to removed schools? #### Response Notes - micro society needs empowered people. How do I transition them to that state? - Technology is infantilizing, but I'm already using AI to build consensus. This is why we need to build tech differently for microsociety - microsociety principles - structure allows decentralization of power and efficiency - Radical transparency prevents corruption - Social capital over financial capital - farming recap: grange and PIR - innovation pressure: should microsociety interact with the market for everything to maintain innovation